Comments on: on the dishonesty of David Cloud https://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/ fundamentalism by blunt instrument Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Don Johnson https://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-498 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:08:00 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/#comment-498 Kent, I recognize there is plenty of lying to go around. We are all sinners.

What I am disturbed about is that here is a guy who does offer seemingly good information about various individuals (say Jack Hayford, or MacArthur, or whoever). If he can be shown to be misrepresenting the truth because he has his own axe to grind in this case, how can we trust his reporting in the case of others?

Regards,
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

]]> By: Kent Brandenburg https://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-497 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:42:00 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/#comment-497 He’s off on this one, but I’ve got one book in my library written by a favorite of fundamentalists with several lies about me in it. Sometimes it is a matter who the lies are about.

]]> By: Don Johnson https://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-496 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:34:00 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/#comment-496 Cameron, I am not sure what context you mean, but I have been reading bro. Cloud off and on for some years. I don’t find that his point of view is always scriptural. In this particular case, I have listened to the presentation he critiqued, I read his critique, and the two don’t match. His report was a dishonest report.

None of us is above criticism and I would hope that some corrections would be made in this case.

Regards
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

]]> By: Cameron https://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-495 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:18:00 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/#comment-495 If you take the comments that Bro. Cloud makes in context, I think you will find that what he says is true. If you take the Bible in context, you will find that it supports what Bro. Cloud says. If you take your opinions in context, you will find that they mean nothing when compared to the Word of God.

I think what the Word of God says if most important in the end anyway considering we are all going to be judged by it… Don’t you?

:)

]]> By: Don Johnson https://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-494 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:30:00 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/#comment-494 a further note for any who wish to comment. I have comments moderation turned on for a reason: I want to CONTROL all the output that comes from my site. I will reject posts, and have just done so.

This site is for the publication of my views and, within limited parameters determined only by me and how I feel at the time, allows comments from others.

But this site will not publish views I don’t like, regardless. Even if you are a friend of mine! If you don’t like it, get your own site and blast away.

That said, I usually approve most comments.

Regards,
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

]]> By: Don Johnson https://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-493 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:50:00 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/#comment-493 Hi Jim

Thanks for the comments. For any of those who should wander over here from SI, I tend to agree with Cloud’s assessment of SI, although I wouldn’t say there isn’t ‘a hint’ of separatists over there.

SI is as disappointing to me as Cloud is, only in the opposite direction. I have friends involved in the site, but I think there involvement is an error and wish they would leave it alone. I don’t think the ownership of the site is fundamentalist by any stretch.

Having said that, I need to say that my status at SI is my own fault, I made a statement in a post that was inappropriate and as a result I can no longer participate. I don’t begrudge the SI administrators for my own relationship to them. But my status has nothing to do with my view of SI. I don’t think it is a fundamentalist site at all, and I wish the fundamentalists there would simply leave.

Regards
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

]]> By: Jim Peet https://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-492 Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:25:00 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/#comment-492 Thanks Don for this post.

I quoted it and linked to you over on SharperIron.

]]> By: Don Johnson https://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-491 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:04:00 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/#comment-491 bro Ed,

I wouldn’t use the term ‘pseudo-fundamentalist’, perhaps ‘hyper-‘ might be better. Jerry Falwell was pseudo.

I agree with Cloud in his comment regarding the so-called young fundamentalists. Most of them are pseudo, really new evangelical in their philosophy and direction. But of course it is a spectrum, a continuum, and not everyone is easily pigeon-holed.

Regards,
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

]]> By: Ed Groover https://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-490 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:22:00 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/#comment-490 Bro. Johnson,

You’re being too kind where Cloud is concerned. He is a far-right, psuedo-fundamentalist. Anything he prints should be read with a critical eye, if it is read at all.

]]> By: Chris Anderson https://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-489 Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:36:00 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2007/09/26/on-the-dishonesty-of-david-cloud/#comment-489 Either you’re right or Cloud is and you’re just being infected by BJU’s new evangelicalism.

Hmmmm. “Don Johnson defends new evangelicals.” That dog ‘ll hunt.

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