Comments on: reverse disclaimers

By: ox

ox — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:38:11 +0000

In reply to Arlyn Ubben.

Hey Arlyn,

I thought ‘hip’ was a 60s term.

But please note, I am not after “disclaimers”. I am after those who endorse false or errant teachers.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

By: Len Peeler

Len Peeler — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:39:13 +0000

One more thought. Don’t you think that when Pastor Doran (aka…..”the Lurker”) told others to “…not read Don” that he was warning those of his ilk to be wary of you? Sort of a “disclaimer” if you will?

By: Len Peeler

Len Peeler — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:30:56 +0000

Hi Don,
You said, “I would welcome radical change on the part of the evangelicals. So far none of them are willing to really do it – it would involve repudiation of a life time of ministry in some cases and radical amputation of long standing existing fellowships.”
Isn’t that the reason why we have separation? If you are using statements such as “none of them are willing really to do it” and some would need to repudiate a “life-time of ministry” and others would need a “RADICAL AMPUTATION of LONG STANDING FELLOWSHIPS” what more convincing arguments would you need other then just to separate and be done with it?
I thank you for allowing me to comment on your blog and I want to be very respectful and kind to you when I say this. I started practicing personal separation when it comes to the blog sites that I will read and comment on. Are their links, on your blog site, that you provide that may or may not fit into your perspective of ministry or “world-view?” If you would remove those links it may mean that others may not think you are “hip” or “trendy” or “cool” but do we really want or need their approval anyway?

By: Arlyn Ubben

Arlyn Ubben — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:34:11 +0000

Don,
Paul quoted from some interesting folks and never used disclaimers. Titus 1:12 merely mentions the words of Epimenides without mentioning his name, simply that he is a “prophet of their own.” In Acts 17 he again refers to Epimenides with the unknown god reference, but no comment as to its origin.

I think Paul made his references in such a way that it was fairly obvious to all that the worldview in question was in great opposition to God’s worldview. We would do well so be so in command of our presentation that it would be obvious to all.

I am glad to see that you are hip and trendy and know all of the cool modern terms. However, according to the students I teach, “hip” and “trendy” and “cool” are very 90’s. . . . but keep trying. : )

By: ox

ox — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:27:55 +0000

In reply to Len Peeler.

Hi Len and Christian

Well, I wouldn’t like to see any radical change in fundamentalism. (There’s an old joke lying in the background there… the punchline is “Change????”) I would welcome radical change on the part of the evangelicals. So far none of them are willing to really do it – it would involve repudiation of a life time of ministry in some cases and radical amputation of long standing existing fellowships.

By ‘divergent world-view’, I mean we just look at things differently. ‘World-view’ is a kind of trendy modern speak term for ‘perspective’. I could have used ‘perspective’ instead, but I wanted to show that I’m hip and trendy and know the cool modern terms.

‘Disclaimer’, by the way, isn’t cool, but it is what everyone who argues with me seems to think I am demanding when it comes to our use of people we disagree with. So they use the term disclaimer to describe what they think I am after. I agree with you, Len, that warning is appropriate and exactly what we should be doing.

Christian, I hadn’t thought of any biblical parallels. I’ll give it some thought through the day and maybe come back to it. Perhaps you can think of some for me!

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

By: Christian Markle

Christian Markle — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:38:59 +0000

Interesting observation. . . Are there any biblical parallels?

By: Len Peeler

Len Peeler — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:51:33 +0000

Hi Don,
You said, “Is it likely that our divergent world-views will ever be bridged without radical change on one side or the other?”
Three questions:
What “radical change” would you like to see happen in fundamentalism in order to bridge the gap so that we could have a “divergent world-view” with evangelicals?
What in your opinion is a “divergent world view” and
Why use the word “disclaimer?”
Are we not “warning” those under our spiritual care about issues and posistions that we feel would be harmful? (Ok…four questions!)