Comments on: it’s not about separation https://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/ fundamentalism by blunt instrument Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:09:23 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jack https://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/comment-page-1/#comment-5167 Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:09:23 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/#comment-5167 Amen for reading the Bible! What a crazy thing to promote to your people! I also do appreciate your comments on the correct response to Piper…

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By: Brian Ernsberger https://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/comment-page-1/#comment-5152 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 17:13:49 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/#comment-5152 Well said Don,
I followed this over from SI and appreciate your comments on Piper and our working with our congregations. It is the Bible first and only that will produce Christlikeness in our flocks. There may be benefits in many other books but only where they bring in the Scriptures. Christianity has gotten so wrapped up in reading about the Bible in men’s books and as a result has become so anemic spiritually. We must get ourselves and our congregation into the BOOK of books if we are ever to see believers grow and know error from truth. Our reformed brethren speak of the Solas, one being Sola Scriptura, would that we would see more actually practice this than just make that pronouncement. Thanks, for your insights and warnings.

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By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/comment-page-1/#comment-5148 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 15:05:24 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/#comment-5148 In reply to Christopher.

Actually, Chris, no I don’t encourage my people to read my blog. They can if they like, but I don’t write it for them. I encourage them to read the Bible. If I can get that as a consistent habit, then maybe we’ll go on from there.

To each his own. I have read a few Piper books. That was enough.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

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By: Christopher https://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/comment-page-1/#comment-5146 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:29:12 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/#comment-5146 Don @ “I usually refer my people to the Bible, first of all. And then I refer them to the Bible second of all.”
just wondering, do you encourage your people to read your blog? I imagine so. Maybe Lou’s as well? Just the fact that you have a blog indicates, I imagine, that you feel that there are things beneficial to read besides the Bible.

I’ll take a Piper book over almost any fundy (or even non fundy) blog any day as far as spiritual benefit is concerned. Just teach your people to be discerning (something Hebrews 5 expects) to tell good from evil and better from best. Teach them to evaluate people’s arguments and points with the word of God.

Of course then they might start doing that to our preaching…

which wouldn’t be a bad thing.

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By: William Dudding https://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/comment-page-1/#comment-5144 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 06:59:27 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/#comment-5144 My thoughts almost exactly, Don. I pulled his stuff from our church library. I hated to do it because it’s so good, but Desiring God has become a brand name, and I don’t want to be responsible for leading our people to buy in to the brand.

Thanks.

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By: Lou Martuneac https://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/comment-page-1/#comment-5143 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:39:54 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/#comment-5143 Good Evening Don:

Thanks for your reply on the Pickering quote I supplied above.

The Scriptures speak to this Piper/Warren issue in blunt terms.

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple,” (Rom. 16:17-18).

In my second follow up to my original article from March 30th I go into additional details on what the fallout might and IMO should be. See, John Piper to Feature Rick Warren: What Are the T4G Men For to Do?

Bottomline for me is this: In regard to Rick Warren the mandates in verse 17 apply and there is no subjective decision to make. Piper, however, chose to ignore the Scriptures to embrace Rick Warren, to defend and give him recognition, which will lend credibility to Warren and his methods. Piper puts impressionable believers, who follow him (Piper) at risk. Piper offers Warren a national platform, which could through his, “good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple,” draw away disciples (Acts 20:30) and lead to their spiritual demise.

What Piper has done is inexcusable. Piper’s invite of Rick Warren, apart from his repentance from it, IMO numbers him among the disobedient. The Scriptures have an application to and mandate the believer’s response to him (Piper) just as they do to Rick Warren.

You have done well to refrain from and to encourage other to refrain from endorsing, following and/or giving Piper recognition.

There is a huge disconnect between what Piper writes in his books and what he does in practice.

LM

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By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/comment-page-1/#comment-5142 Wed, 07 Apr 2010 01:17:57 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/#comment-5142 In reply to ox.

Just a note…

Larry, I deleted your last comment where you again press me for some kind of evidence of the ‘love affair with Piper’. I have made my position as clearly as I intend to at this time. I’m just not going to pursue that avenue of discussion now. It is really distracting from the main point. If you care to engage my main points in this post, I’ll be glad to do so. But if you persist in pursuing this somewhat bizarre obsession, I’ll relegate that persistence to the same place as the last.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jerimiah 33.3

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By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/comment-page-1/#comment-5140 Tue, 06 Apr 2010 23:18:09 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/#comment-5140 In reply to Bill.

Bill, I am sure there are plenty of people who agree with you. However, these issues aren’t really relevant to our discussion here. So… if you wish to address the subjects brought up in the post or by one of the other commenters, feel free. But I will delete any further discussion along this line. We aren’t talking about the CFR here.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jerimiah 33.3

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By: Bill https://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/comment-page-1/#comment-5139 Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:52:49 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/#comment-5139 Am I the only one who couldn’t care less about charismatic leanings, rap, etc., but who does have a major problem with the CFR? I cannot in good conscious endorse the CFR. But let me also be the first to publicly say that we can’t read a person’s heart. I will give Warren the benefit of the doubt that he joined the CFR out of pure motives and with good intentions and thought he could use it for good rather than evil.

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By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/comment-page-1/#comment-5138 Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:29:54 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2010/04/05/its-not-about-separation/#comment-5138 In reply to Larry.

Well, Larry, you aren’t going to get any more out of me on this topic. So you’ll have to just have to remain in the dark, I guess.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think so. I think the comment is a statement of the obvious. So I’ll leave it at that.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jerimiah 33.3

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