Comments on: keeping our distance

By: ox

ox — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:58:12 +0000

In reply to Kent Brandenburg.

Now there’s an idea.

Of course, no one looking at me would think of the word “bantam”….

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jeremiah 33.3

By: Kent Brandenburg

Kent Brandenburg — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:52:11 +0000

Don,

I think you should call your blog “Bantam Rooster” instead.

By: ox

ox — Sat, 03 Jul 2010 00:34:29 +0000

In reply to T. Pennock.

Well, I know of all the speakers but one. As far as I know, everyone listed is at present considered a Fundamentalist, so I don’t see how this represents lines blurring.

I have heard some chatter about this conference that I have no way of confirming. It may turn out to be something different than it is at present, if any of this “chatter” turns out to be accurate. So… can’t really have an opinion at this point.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

By: T. Pennock

T. Pennock — Fri, 02 Jul 2010 23:29:38 +0000

Don,

What do you think about this conference (http://truthconference.org/) and the gaggle of fundamentalists represented?

Seems even here the lines are beginning to blur, no?

Have a good one!

tjp

By: PS Ferguson

PS Ferguson — Thu, 01 Jul 2010 05:59:52 +0000

Fundamentalist historian Ernest Pickering pertinently warned, “Perhaps nothing precipitates a slide toward New Evangelicalism more than the introduction of Contemporary Christian Music.” BIOLA founded by Rueben Torrey evidenced the same change. In the magazine Foundation they published an official statement from the BIOLA Music Department giving the University position on the use of jazz music stating, “… to a great degree, contemporary jazz has become ‘classical.’ It is also true that traditional jazz has to a great extent left its original association with the brothels of New Orleans, social dance, drinking, and other social practices which have represented ‘worldly values.’ Jazz, in effect, must be considered ‘classical’ in the broad sense of the term. It is entirely possible for college students to rehearse and perform jazz purely as another style of concert music.”

However, early Fundamentalist historians included more. George Dollar in 1966 records that early Fundamentalists opposed worldliness,

“The fundamentalists of 1875–1900 were very outspoken about the apostasy of their times and the sins from which Christians should separate. Indeed, one is surprised to find in their sermons and lectures such sharp rebukes to saints for their worldliness. They saw the world worsening as we approach the rapture. The particular sins then prevalent were named….card table, horse racing, dancing, stage plays, theater, and wine. The church was condemned for being wholly worldly and worldly holy [a phrase used by A. T. Pierson at the 1886 Prophetic Conference]…. The business of the Spirit was to make him [the Christian] distinct from the unregenerate and this included his enjoyments, recreation, business, and his use of time and money .”

The editor of Watchword in July 1896 another early Fundamentalist publication openly opposed the theater because its, “chief themes…are now, as they ever have been, the passions of men—ambition and jealousy, leading to murder; lust, leading to adultery and to death; [and] anger, leading to madness.”

By: ox

ox — Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:28:34 +0000

In reply to T. Pennock.

Just a quick note to all. We are getting comments about Greg’s comment, both from friends and foes. I don’t want this thread to degenerate into a discussion of Greg or his comments. I have received criticism for posting Kent’s comment about it. I think it would have been better to leave that off as well.

So, friends and foes, if you don’t mind, let’s leave Greg’s comment alone and let it stand for what it is. If you wish to discuss the points I am making in the article, you are welcome, but let’s just leave what Greg said alone.

I am sure my friends will understand. I am not particularly worried about what my foes think.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

By: T. Pennock

T. Pennock — Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:18:14 +0000

Don,

You said: “I am assuming you want an idea of how fundamentalism affects how I approach the ministry, is that right?”

Yeah, petty much.

tjp

By: ox

ox — Tue, 29 Jun 2010 00:50:05 +0000

In reply to T. Pennock.

Hi Tracy

Well, that’s a big topic. Worthy of a book, I am sure (not that I would likely get many takers on that one). Worthy of at least a whole blog post by itself. I’ll do some thinking on it and see what I can do.

I am assuming you want an idea of how fundamentalism affects how I approach the ministry, is that right?

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

By: T. Pennock

T. Pennock — Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:41:41 +0000

Hi Don,

I was wondering if you could draw up for me a basic outline of your “fundamentalist philosophy” of ministry. What shape does it take in practice, and what are its outstanding principles?

Have a good one!

tjp

By: Kent Brandenburg

Kent Brandenburg — Mon, 28 Jun 2010 05:30:29 +0000

So Greg actually isn’t Greg. Well, Greg, what I like about Don is that he doesn’t depend on tickling people’s ears in order to have his influence and impact. He doesn’t needlepoint his message into a fluffy pillow, like some seem to need in order to handle it. In other words, real men like the way Don talks. He reminds them how men once talked when men were men. So, in other words, Don will attract men. Since you aren’t attracted, I’ll let that speak for itself.

Don,

It was me who mentioned music is worship and worship is a mark of Christianity. It’s not so much that we decide whether false worshipers are saved or not. God will judge that. However, we regard false worshipers as unsaved for the purpose of fellowship.