Well, mostly it is a little blip, not much of anything. Not nearly the same as inviting Warren to speak at your meeting. That is, it is the same philosophy, but it isn’t a big noticeable deal.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

“I think it will be mostly ignored. Most people won’t even catch it, and if they do, it won’t matter to them.”

I’m wondering if awareness of, it not mattering and/or ignoring this is itself an indication of discernment in decline.

Lou

Lou, I have been very busy over the last three days and haven’t taken the time to deal with your posts, one way or another. So this afternoon I took a look at them and decided to post just one of the two.

I mostly want to keep discussion of AtC and its participants out of this thread. I don’t think it is really relevant to Piper. I also want to leave speculation out of it. So…

As far as treating this circumstance as a puzzling error, I think it will be mostly ignored. Most people won’t even catch it, and if they do, it won’t matter to them. That’s why I point it out here, simply to raise awareness of Piper’s typical lack of discernment

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

“My guess is this will be treated as an (puzzling) error on the part of Piper and will not be glossed over.”

With his rack record in mind; why is this a “puzzling error?”

This would take some additional qualification with each of the men, but… If the pattern holds with Bauder and Doran the latest remarks by Piper will be essentially tolerated, allowed for, ignored and/or excused just as his invite of Rick Warren to DG was and Mohler/Duncan signing the Manhattan Declaration. Not to mention Piper’s Charismatic theology.

On Dever and his affinity for RAP medium I am grateful that (only) Bauder has had something to say about it. In those few paragraphs, however, he said more about RAP with Dever than he has said in his Differences series about serious issues such as (ecumenism) the Manhattan Declaration, Rick Warren at DG, Mahaney/Piper’s Charismatic teaching, etc., combined.

LM

I am interested in hearing more from KTB and Dave on the Lansdale conference. The report Kevin gave on SI doesn’t sound as positive coming out of the meeting as he did heading into it. Of course, that’s just my take, I could be missing his points altogether.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

Did KTB gloss over the rap issue? No.

You have exposed another in a line of words and/or actions by John Piper that exemplifies a disconnect from biblical discernment. In light of this latest episode I’m not sure why some would object when it is suggested that Piper is a “New” Evangelical.

My question is over how this action by Piper will be treated by those in Fundamental circles who desire closer fellowship with the T4G circle, Piper in particular. Will it be tolerated?

Lou

I trust at least some here have enough discernment to see the irony. I do look forward to MacArthur, Dever et al separating themselves now from Piper for preaching a false gospel of works and betraying the substitutionary atonement of Christ. Else the 2011 conference should be renamed “Together for the False Gospel.”

Be interesting to also note does Dave Doran, Kevin Bauder deal with Piper as swiftly as they did with Danny Sweatt and Clarence Sexton on their blogs! In this brave new world of Fundamentalism where we are told that personalities and relationships will never triumph over biblical truth, we shall have to wait and see……

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Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3