Comments on: the ‘ph’ factor https://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/ fundamentalism by blunt instrument Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:49:34 +0000 hourly 1 By: d4v34x https://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-9867 Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:49:34 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/#comment-9867 Sam,

If you can find an mp3 of a Fundamentalist Seminary Prof referring to “Sweet Honey” as a robust vehicle of God’s truth, post it up and we’ll have at it!

]]> By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-9843 Sun, 27 Mar 2011 01:08:56 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/#comment-9843 In reply to Sam Hendrickson.

Hi Sam, thanks for the comment.

Ok, so let me see if I am getting what you are saying. Is it this:

Since some fundy churches use Honey in the Rock, it’s OK for other fundy churches to be relativists.

Is that what you are saying? If so, would you say that’s a strong argument or a weak argument for relativism?

Instead of side-tracking us, why don’t you deal with the issue at hand? Isn’t this a serious problem? Don’t you think we should point it out with some alarm? or what should be done about it? Should it be tolerated? Ignored? What?

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jeremiah 33.3

]]> By: Sam Hendrickson https://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-9835 Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:00:01 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/#comment-9835 So, how many fundy churches do we know that have a steady diet of Holy (cubed) type of conservative hymns versus “O I Tell You Brother There’s Honey in the Rock?” The ditches people are driving into on either (the same?) side are frustrating and sad. Would we be as hard on that pastor for using Honey in the Rock kind of blather as the CC type of song? Seriously…[My vote as to what the typical response would be–no–“cuz he’s a fundamentalist, and clearly this other brother is fading from fundamentalism”]

]]> By: Andy Efting https://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-9707 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:30:28 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/#comment-9707 You know, my heart really breaks over this. When I type “Slow Fade” into Google and pick the first YouTube video of this song, I get the video framed by Britney Spears, promoting one of her songs. Why? What we have is a Christian group using music that is sourced in the same style that secular artists use to get people in the mood to do exactly what this Casting Crowns song is trying to prevent. What are people thinking? Why introduce people to this? I agree, people need to see the holiness of God. Fundamentalists should not be promoting this type of thing.

]]> By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-9704 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:08:29 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/#comment-9704 In reply to Rob.

Rob, thanks for sending that along…

Somehow doesn’t quite match ‘Holy, Holy, Holy’, does it?

Words fail me!

I wonder what Dissidens would say?

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

]]> By: Rob https://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-9700 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:31:15 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/#comment-9700 (You don’t have to approve this comment – I just didn’t know how else to send this to you.) I thought I’d do a web search to see if I could find the words to the song that Tim Jordan and Peter Radford felt so strongly just *had* to be part of the service where the message. Just wanted to see if you agree with the findings of my “research.” :-)

Slow Fade

Be careful little eyes what you see
It’s the second glance that ties your hands as darkness pulls the strings
Be careful little feet where you go
For it’s the little feet behind you that are sure to follow

It’s a slow fade when you give yourself away
It’s a slow fade when black and white have turned to gray
Thoughts invade, choices are made, a price will be paid
When you give yourself away
People never crumble in a day
It’s a slow fade, it’s a slow fade

Be careful little ears what you hear
When flattery leads to compromise, the end is always near
Be careful little lips what you say
For empty words and promises lead broken hearts astray

It’s a slow fade when you give yourself away
It’s a slow fade when black and white have turned to gray
Thoughts invade, choices are made, a price will be paid
When you give yourself away
People never crumble in a day

The journey from your mind to your hands
Is shorter than you’re thinking
Be careful if you think you stand
You just might be sinking

It’s a slow fade when you give yourself away
It’s a slow fade when black and white have turned to gray
Thoughts invade, choices are made, a price will be paid
When you give yourself away
People never crumble in a day
Daddies never crumble in a day
Families never crumble in a day

Oh be careful little eyes what see
Oh be careful little eyes what you see
For the Father up above is looking down in love
Oh be careful little eyes what you see

me again…
Not necessarily a bad message in those words, but as I said, it seems decidedly man-centered.

]]> By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-9698 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:20:45 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/#comment-9698 In reply to Rob.

Thanks for the comment, Rob. And for the … um … ‘research’!

It is really quite astonishing, all in all.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

]]> By: Rob https://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-9690 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:32:33 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/#comment-9690 Don, I listened to his whole message and agree that he did not have strong scriptural support for his underlying premises. Then I just *made* myself listen to the Casting Crowns original version of the song he used in sanitized form at his church. For as much as these people say they want to be gospel-centered, the lyrics of that song are extremely man-centered. It struck me that instead of I Peter’s “You shall be holy, for I am holy,” it’s basically be holy or you’ll suffer the consequences. I prefer d4v34x’s suggestion for an appropriate hymn to go with the message.

]]> By: d4v34x https://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-9573 Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:30:12 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/#comment-9573 And that is just for starters. It’s troubling.

]]> By: d4v34x https://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-9572 Fri, 18 Mar 2011 00:27:41 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/2011/03/15/the-ph-factor/#comment-9572 Yes. I was shocked he didn’t think there was anything sufficient in traditional hymnody to express the need for purity. How about Holy, Holy, Holy???

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