Comments on: what do you think about apostles … today?

By: Jonathan Hunt

Jonathan Hunt — Fri, 27 May 2011 10:44:24 +0000

I just came back and read though these comments. Naughty fundies at play! Back to your cages!

By: Kent Brandenburg

Kent Brandenburg — Thu, 26 May 2011 22:03:49 +0000

Don,

Three more reasons to support C. J. Mahaney:
1) He’s not Chuck Phelps.
2) He’s not a fundamentalist.
3) He’s not a separatist.

If he was one of those three, he would be savaged.

By: Brian Ernsberger

Brian Ernsberger — Thu, 26 May 2011 16:30:42 +0000

Agreed, Don. One must also wonder, where are the details in Scriptures by which we (His people) will know that this particular person is indeed an “apostle”? Another thought comes to mind, why is not this “gift” listed in Corinthians? And as far as the planting and supervising of churches is concerned, outside of the account in the book of Acts of the apostle Paul, we have not direct evidence that the other apostles did this kind of ministry. If anything, there is some evidence (in Acts 8) that the original apostles may very well have stayed in the environs of Jerusalem for their ministerial careers. All we have is “church tradition” telling us what supposedly happened to them, and I care not to hang my Bible doctrine on those “traditions.”
For me, this causes more questions than it answers and creates structures which are not clearly present in the New Testament account.

By: ox

ox — Thu, 26 May 2011 04:59:02 +0000

In reply to Brian Ernsberger.

Well, I think Matthias is counted as one of the twelve. Some differ, but I don’t think he is one of the ones the SGM guys have in mind. I think there are a few names in the Romans 16 list and also in those who were ‘apostles of the churches’ carrying the gift to Jerusalem mentioned in 2 Cor 8-9.

Regardless… I see no warrant for using the term today, especially as the SGM guys are using it. They are using it as if these men are after the order of Paul, planting and supervising churches.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

By: Brian Ernsberger

Brian Ernsberger — Thu, 26 May 2011 04:44:12 +0000

Okay, forgot, there is Matthias in Acts 1 called to fill the vacancy of Judas as an apostle. That still leaves 6 to be named.

By: Brian Ernsberger

Brian Ernsberger — Thu, 26 May 2011 04:38:43 +0000

Jonathan brings up a good point, who are these 8 mentioned? I know that Barnabas is referred to as an apostle in Acts 14:14, but yes, where are the other 7?
Kent, great wit there in the midst of this doctrinal hash. Within the framework that is charismaticism having “apostles” is nothing new for them.

By: d4v34x

d4v34x — Tue, 24 May 2011 23:49:17 +0000

+1 to KB for bringing teh “kewl”.

By: Kent Brandenburg

Kent Brandenburg — Tue, 24 May 2011 19:45:52 +0000

Because C. J. Mahaney is so kewl, and he wrote books for humility and against worldliness (Haven’t you heard he’s humble and not worldly?). And dude, like he’s so together for the gospel. And you’ve got to draw the line somewhere, and the gospel makes a lot of sense. And Sovereign Grace has lyrics like Watts, and they are so authentic when they sing, the way they jam on the piano, and close their eyes, really sincere, like they mean it. Don’t act like you don’t understand, Don. You know you do.

By: Roger Carlsn

Roger Carlsn — Tue, 24 May 2011 18:07:09 +0000

CJ is dead wrong on this one…..there are no apostles today.

By: ox

ox — Tue, 24 May 2011 14:41:27 +0000

In reply to Jonathan Hunt.

Hi Jonathan

You ask good questions

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3