Comments on: Don’t send your kids to Northland https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/10/dont-send-your-kids-to-northland/ fundamentalism by blunt instrument Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:27:31 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jon Gleason https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/10/dont-send-your-kids-to-northland/comment-page-1/#comment-28447 Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:27:31 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2074#comment-28447 In reply to John Mark.

Maybe so, John Mark. But Brian is right, his website and every picture I’ve seen of him in the past shows him with shorter hair, and dressed sharply. In the video, his hair is quite long and he’s in jeans.

So it just seems a change to me, and not a change you’d expect from a guy who is, I’m guessing, in his mid to upper 30s. The way he chose to appear for that performance is different from the way he has chosen to present himself on his website / CDs in the past. And the music is different from some of his past music as well.

I’m not going to war over it, but when people start changing these things, they usually do so for some reason or other.

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By: Brian Ernsberger https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/10/dont-send-your-kids-to-northland/comment-page-1/#comment-28412 Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:16:00 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2074#comment-28412 In reply to John Mark.

John Mark, Yes, Steve has, what is typically longer hair for his productions, however, one look at his website and then a look at the video and one clearly sees that his hair is noticably longer now than in the past for those productions.

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By: John Mark https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/10/dont-send-your-kids-to-northland/comment-page-1/#comment-28384 Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:27:32 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2074#comment-28384 In reply to Jon Gleason.

I’m not commenting on NIU (or on my understanding of 1 Corinthians 11), but Steve has had hair for many years, not suddenly. No doubt it’s a part of the dramatic productions he does of Beethoven and Schubert (not to mention Raeford in The Treasure Map).

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By: Brian Ernsberger https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/10/dont-send-your-kids-to-northland/comment-page-1/#comment-28271 Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:18:01 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2074#comment-28271 Northland has experienced a noticable exodus since the 2010/2011 school year. That was the year, Rick Holland, Wayne Simien came to town with all their baggage. That was the year that the music department was gutted of faculty with music standards. Northland is a shell of its former self. It has been grievous to see this fall. Yet, one to be expected with the “unchanging” changes that Matt has instituted.

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By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/10/dont-send-your-kids-to-northland/comment-page-1/#comment-28267 Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:30:03 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2074#comment-28267 In reply to Dave.

Dave,

Thanks for the comment.

First, I think I should make it clear that I am not writing to people under 30 in this post. I am addressing the older generation. It is the parents and pastors of the young people I am concerned about. From my vantage point, Northland has clearly and decidedly turned a corner and isn’t coming back. Many parents and pastors still labor under the misconception that Northland is a fundamentalist school and a safe place to send their kids. It is that misconception I am addressing.

Further, I am not particularly concerned whether young people are pushed away from fundamentalism or not. You wouldn’t advise that we tailor our message in the fear of man, would you? Should “what people might think” or especially “what young people might think” be the barometer by which we take our positions? It seems to me that your concern is at least headed in that direction.

Finally, are you making the case that this particular bit of popular Christian music isn’t part of the apostasy? Quite frankly, I think it is. We don’t need a church that imitates the world. What kind of church is that? Matt’s statement is that this singer is/has made “contributions to the church”. In the subsequent comments, someone says, “Hearing him sing puts me on holy ground!” Matt approves that comment by “liking” it. Holy ground! Seriously? Something is seriously askew at Northland and no one should send their kids there.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

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By: Dave https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/10/dont-send-your-kids-to-northland/comment-page-1/#comment-28178 Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:18:21 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2074#comment-28178 I am a pastor of an established church that believes in separation…

I understand that you have been making a “cumulative case” argument for disassociation with NIU. However, even with that understanding, it seems petty to me (and I can almost assure you that it will seem utterly ridiculous to anyone under 30) that the straw breaking the ox’s back is that the president of the school enjoys country/gospel music and shared a video of a live performance on his Facebook page.

This is exactly the fundamentalism+ that pushes young Christians away. If a given institution has aligned themselves with apostasy or if they have aligned themselves with other ministries that will not root out said apostasy, then deal with *those* issues. That’s a winnable battle, a defendable case, and something worth your time. But blogging about a college president with a soft spot for country/gospel music is really not going to accomplish anything of value.

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By: Gordon Phillips https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/10/dont-send-your-kids-to-northland/comment-page-1/#comment-28265 Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:58:27 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2074#comment-28265 Here is a excerpted quote from a sermon by Dr. Matt Olson out of Galatians entitled “Called To Be Free” preached at NIU chapel on 9/11/12 found in total here http://www.sermonaudio.com/playpopup.asp?SID=911121238171

“You know, how many times the Apostle Paul says, you know, ‘Listen, learn to live with one another. Live in peace as much as possible.’ We read in Romans 14 about when we have difference of opinions on things. Live at peace. So, I think, you know, Paul was laid back and relaxed when he needed to be on secondary issues.”

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By: d4v34x https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/10/dont-send-your-kids-to-northland/comment-page-1/#comment-28257 Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:21:01 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2074#comment-28257 Contribution to the church? No wonder they had a shakeup in the music department..

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By: Len Peeler https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/10/dont-send-your-kids-to-northland/comment-page-1/#comment-28233 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 23:14:42 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2074#comment-28233 Thank you Pastor Johnson for your post. The time to start practicing separation has come. Enough talk…enough debate…now it’s time to obey.

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By: Watchman https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/10/dont-send-your-kids-to-northland/comment-page-1/#comment-28231 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:17:08 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2074#comment-28231 We took a family vacation to Mackinac Island, Michigan earlier this fall. Our son decided he wanted a nighttime picture of the bridge and walked to the cliff to take it. He lost his way in the dark, got too close and promptly went over the edge. (His survival was a direct miraculous intervention of God–I saw where he fell the next morning, and it was not a fall he should have walked away from with just a couple of tiny scratches.)

I say that to make this point–while I recognize it is possible to make the well known slipperly slope fallacy in argument, it is also true that there are places that are steep and once you get to a certain point on them, your future direction (if not your very survival) is set and cannot be changed.

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