Comments on: everybody’s talking about gun control https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/18/everybodys-talking-about-gun-control/ fundamentalism by blunt instrument Sun, 20 Oct 2019 22:44:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/18/everybodys-talking-about-gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-29999 Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:46:25 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2077#comment-29999 In reply to Keith.

Hi Keith, long time no hear… from both of us! I am busy with another site and post here only occasionally. Hope to change that, but time is limited.

Well, don’t want to get into a discussion of the Revolution, but George III was hardly a tyrant. He might have been insane. But not a tyrant.

As to the topic at hand, I’ve been thinking about it a good deal lately, since it is in the news. I may write another piece on this, but in short, my thoughts are going more towards licensing of individuals rather than banning guns. Americans may not like that idea given their history and constitution, but we license the use of cars, why not the use of guns?

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

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By: Keith https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/18/everybodys-talking-about-gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-29996 Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:22:53 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2077#comment-29996 One of the rare times I agree with you! Well, everything except the redcoats being the good guys. Tryants and law breakers are never the good guys. The law is over the king, not the other way around.

Keith

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By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/18/everybodys-talking-about-gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-28661 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 23:50:39 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2077#comment-28661 In reply to Jon Gleason.

heh, heh, you are a funny man.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

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By: Jon Gleason https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/18/everybodys-talking-about-gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-28653 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:11:00 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2077#comment-28653 In reply to ox.

That’s ok, I refuted them for you, so you don’t have to retract them. What are friends for, anyway? :)

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By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/18/everybodys-talking-about-gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-28652 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:07:02 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2077#comment-28652 In reply to Jon Gleason.

heh, well, I don’t retract my words! I think it is what the second amendment is all about, but that’s really another topic, so I’ll leave it alone.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

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By: Jon Gleason https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/18/everybodys-talking-about-gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-28647 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:37:15 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2077#comment-28647 In reply to ox.

I understand, Don. We’d have to have a really good handle on the history to evaluate some of the arguments that I’ve heard on the war for independence. I was just quibbling over your words “right of revolution” because that isn’t what the second amendment was about.

I agree entirely with your article. This is a sin problem, not a gun problem. Western societies have never been holy places, but the further they get from living (and being governed) by Biblical principles, the more tragedies of sin there will be.

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By: Brian Ernsberger https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/18/everybodys-talking-about-gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-28615 Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:13:48 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2077#comment-28615 Don, very much agree with your point, gun control will not stop criminals from committing crimes. Jon, very well put overview of American heritage. It would be great if more of our citizens understood what you have so very well stated.
This is indeed a heart issue that will not disappear even if all guns were confiscated. Cain didn’t use a gun to kill Abel his brother way back when and millions of other have been slain without firearms because sinful men do sinful deeds.
I find the conversation within my country most disturbing on several fronts in the wake of this tragedy. The sentimentalism of the PC driven crowd “to do something, anything” to appease their consciences is more harmful in the long run. I am one of those who our president disdained a few years ago by stating that we “cling to our guns and our religion.” I make no apology for that. And with that said, I grieve that my nation has moved so far away from God. Yes, revival is what is needed for ours and every other nation on this planet.

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By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/18/everybodys-talking-about-gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-28596 Thu, 20 Dec 2012 09:11:53 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2077#comment-28596 In reply to Jon Gleason.

Hi Jon

Well, I don’t want to get into American political theory, though I understand and appreciate some of its points. I will just say that it is pretty hard to find a biblical defense for the revolution and some of its ideas.

My main point in this piece is that gun control (though not an unreasonable concept) is unlikely to achieve the goal of reducing mass murders like the one at the Sandy Hook school. Something else needs to happen if we hope to actually reduce such tragedies.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

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By: Jon Gleason https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/18/everybodys-talking-about-gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-28595 Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:59:27 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2077#comment-28595 In reply to ox.

Don, the American approach was based on the assumption that people are sinners, and that people in power are sinners, too, and will use their power sinfully to do even more damage. Thus, their power must be restricted.

It wasn’t about the right of revolution — in America, the ultimate authority is the people, not the President, Congress, or courts. They divided powers among the branches so that none could be too powerful, but ultimately, they intended power to reside with the people.

Thus, the right to bear arms was a last resort, a final check / balance, not to enable people to revolt, but to enable the people, the true authority, to put down usurpation of power.

If the only people who have the effective means of warfare are those who are under the orders of government, you’ve removed any real check on government’s ability to usurp the authority of the people.

Yes, the right to bear arms comes at a cost. The lack of effective restrictions on governmental authority comes at a cost, too, as Stalin, Mao, and others have demonstrated. And repeated instances have shown that the three branches of government may serve to limit the power of any one individual, but they are certainly not stopping the ever-increasing intrusion of statism.

It won’t be the end of the Republic if restrictions on weapons becomes law. But it will make it more possible for a dictator to take power some day if such a law passes and is actually consistently enforced / obeyed — which I doubt.

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By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2012/12/18/everybodys-talking-about-gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-28580 Thu, 20 Dec 2012 05:30:50 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2077#comment-28580 In reply to Jim Peet.

I agree, Jim.

In light of these events, I have been thinking about the whole issue in the states. I understand the background of the 2nd Amendment and the American notion of the right of revolution, but I have a hard time reconciling it with the Scriptures. There really is nothing wrong with limiting access to deadly weapons and requiring some kind of competency testing.

However, having said that, I don’t think increased gun control will solve the problem of mass killings. If changes come as a result of this, it will make the liberals and bleeding hearts satisfied that they have done something, at least until the next one comes along.

What is needed is a change of culture, but that isn’t likely to happen without a major revival.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

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