Comments on: Whiplash https://oxgoad.ca/2013/05/10/whiplash/ fundamentalism by blunt instrument Tue, 28 May 2013 14:50:32 +0000 hourly 1 By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2013/05/10/whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-33040 Tue, 28 May 2013 14:50:32 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2117#comment-33040 In reply to Keith.

Keith, as usual, you miss the point. I don’t know if that is purposeful or not.

The ‘whiplash’ I refer to is the “now you’re fired, now you’re hired” back and forth. The Mickey Mouse operation I criticize is the Patz family over-ruling the board and showing their school to be little more than a family play thing, not really a serious attempt at providing an educational institution.

But by all means, continue on in your obfuscation. It’s what you do best.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

PS: Keith, just an additional note, I’ve given you one comment, you are just being argumentative as usual, and I’ll not give you any additional comments. I’m not interested in an argument. If you want to say more, get your own blog. It’s easy enough to do.

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By: Keith https://oxgoad.ca/2013/05/10/whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-33039 Tue, 28 May 2013 14:36:43 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2117#comment-33039 I have no connection to NIU, and maybe it is a “Sham” school. Of course, it may be that all of what are often called “our schools” are and have always been “Sham” schools.

And, if we’re going to talk about whiplash well then I’m not sure how the prize for that goes to any place other than BJU. Let’s see, Interracial dating is wrong — oops no it’s not; Women need to wear hats to worship on Sunday — oops, no they don’t; Beards represent rebellion and association with the world — oops, no they don’t; Intercollegiate sports are bad — oops, no they aren’t; And, the list could go on.

Institutional change is inevitable and often good. The key is how do institutions implement change. I do agree with you that there’s a lot of spinning and institutional amnesia in how “our schools” implement change (who can forget Bob III’s “this rule that we never talk about” reference to a rule he fought for all the way to the Supreme Court?). They ought to just speak straight.

Of course, when you are working with a subculture that has been taught that change is always compromise and will always result in liberalism, it’s pretty tough to implement any change at all without arousing all kinds of shooting from the peanut gallery. That being the case, if any of “our schools” are going to travel the road from sham to legitimate, they may just find that the road looks a lot like this pot hole infested trail that NIU’s been navigating.

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By: Brian https://oxgoad.ca/2013/05/10/whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-33013 Tue, 14 May 2013 22:22:25 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2117#comment-33013 Okay, for all those prickly people out there, I’m just using catch phrases here with no undertones, overtones intended.
I find it interesting that over the past couple of months all of a sudden there are younger Patz family members coming out of the woodwork (read my first sentence please) to voice their praise and support of the new direction which NIU has been on for several years now. As you follow some of these men you find that they are entrenched in what NIU is becoming, evangelical. The grandsons, Daniel Patz and Don Sailer moved away from the moorings of fundamentalism that they received at NBBC and BJU (Don Sailer matriculated to BJU in 1981 as a sophomore). Daniel pastors an EFCA church which is itself part of the NAE, clearly a self-identified evangelical. There would be only one reason they would like what they see at NIU, it is looking like them, evangelical.
This has been so sad to witness.

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By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2013/05/10/whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-33006 Sat, 11 May 2013 14:12:23 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2117#comment-33006 In reply to Matthew Patz.

Matthew,

Thank you for commenting. I haven’t been on the campus for some time, but the “spirit” of the students is no measure of a school and its spirituality.

In this piece I am expressing my opinions about what the recent shenanigans in Dunbar mean. However, I think I will now follow my friend Jeff’s advice and give it a rest. I am quite confident that bizarre things will continue to occur in the woods of Wisconsin.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

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By: Matthew Patz https://oxgoad.ca/2013/05/10/whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-33005 Sat, 11 May 2013 13:51:58 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2117#comment-33005 Hey Don,
Whats are the reasons for a article like this? To inform or to bash a God-honoring ministry? Im assuming you have not been on the campus to realize how on fire the student body and faculty is. You worry about your ministry and whatever that consists of. Northland either way will be blessed by God even if that means that a blogger decides to spend his day gossiping about its decisions.

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By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2013/05/10/whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-33004 Sat, 11 May 2013 02:50:18 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2117#comment-33004 In reply to Jeff Straub.

Fair enough Jeff. I assume that means you will no longer be commenting on any of the NI”U” threads on SI, right?

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer33.3

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By: Jeff Straub https://oxgoad.ca/2013/05/10/whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-33003 Sat, 11 May 2013 02:46:54 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2117#comment-33003 Ok, Don. Maybe it’s time to let NIU go. Until more facts are out, we really don’t know why happened. What is to be gained by pounding on them more? From the current status of things, they did what they had to to try to save the school. Things will never be the same. Let it go.

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By: Robert https://oxgoad.ca/2013/05/10/whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-33002 Fri, 10 May 2013 21:14:14 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2117#comment-33002 [comment deleted by editor]

Note: this poster used a fake email address. Who knows whether his/her name is Robert or Robin?

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By: ox https://oxgoad.ca/2013/05/10/whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-33001 Fri, 10 May 2013 18:15:37 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2117#comment-33001 In reply to Wally Morris.

Well, I am not a fan of the intercollegiate sports, but I think they have done a few similar events prior to that one. We need to hold the leaders of the schools accountable, however, as alums and supporters. It isn’t a matter of being cranks, but being vocal. Schools are lost when their supporters remain concerned but mute.

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By: Wally Morris https://oxgoad.ca/2013/05/10/whiplash/comment-page-1/#comment-33000 Fri, 10 May 2013 18:11:06 +0000 http://oxgoad.ca/?p=2117#comment-33000 In reply to Doug Merrill.

Speaking about trial balloons, I wonder if BJUs “one-time-only” athletic game with Furman several years ago was a trial balloon for the start of its intercollegiate sports involvement. I remember that, at the time, the school strongly insisted that its Thanksgiving game with Furman was “one-time-only”. Apparently not.

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