{"id":1639,"date":"2010-03-25T22:06:56","date_gmt":"2010-03-26T06:06:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/oxgoad.ca\/2010\/03\/25\/its-not-that-simple\/"},"modified":"2010-03-25T22:06:56","modified_gmt":"2010-03-26T06:06:56","slug":"its-not-that-simple","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/oxgoad.ca\/2010\/03\/25\/its-not-that-simple\/","title":{"rendered":"it’s not that simple"},"content":{"rendered":"

Dave said (here<\/a> and here<\/a>):<\/p>\n

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Restore the local assembly to the center where God intended it to be. When your local assembly engages in Great Commission work outside its walls, find some folks you agree with and get busy doing it. Unity is built on agreement about the truth, not by politics. Few things are as political as trying to preserve movements once they have fragmented theologically.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Would that it were so simple. But it is not that simple. In the words of John Donne,<\/p>\n

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No man is an island entire of itself\u2026<\/font><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

And certainly the pastor and church in ques<\/font>tion is no island, entire unto themselves. If we were talking about a small church in a small community it might<\/em> be that simple, but \u2026 probably not.<\/font><\/p>\n

Everyone influences someone else. That\u2019s why our private decisions are important. They have influence on someone.<\/p>\n

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In particular, Dave is the pastor of an influential church, partly due to its history, partly due to its size, partly due to its location (in a major city), partly due to a particular aspect of its ministry (a leading fundamentalist seminary), and partly due to the impact of the ministry of its current pastor, i.e., Dave himself. When Dave speaks, many people do listen. When Inter-City Baptist Church takes a position, many people on the outside make observations, take notes, and some follow that lead. When Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary invites in speakers, the impact is felt not only by the current students, but by friends, alumni, and observers, both the like-minded and not so like-minded. That is the consequence of influence.<\/p>\n

The fact is, God has blessed the ministry of this church and pastor for many years. That blessing enhances influence. Like it or not, that influence makes a difference in what others do and is subject to the public scrutiny, for good or ill, of outside observers. Some decisions will be applauded, others criticized. I suppose that every<\/em> decision is likely to be criticized by someone, but I am speaking of the general constituency of influence that DBTS, Inter-city, and Dave Doran generally command. There are circles to whom these names mean nothing. But to those circles where these names mean something, they carry a measure of influence, and that influence is inescapable.<\/p>\n

I guess it isn\u2019t OK to call this Detroit\/Doran circle of influence \u201cfundamentalism\u201d, but it does represent a group of people whose background, philosophy, interests, and ministries overlap and touch on one another in many ways. Some of this is due to the influence of other large educational ministries with overlapping constituencies and sometimes shared ministries (BJU, Maranatha, Northland, Central, et al). Some of this overlapping circle of influence is due to the influence of other large fundamentalist churches. Some of it is also due to the influence of parachurch entities like mission boards, the FBF, and even Sharper Iron and similar on-line communications hubs. What shall we call this group? The \u201cNon-whack-job Conservative Fundamentalist Coalition\u201d? The \u201cDoran Axis\u201d? I don\u2019t know, you pick a name.<\/p>\n

In any case, those of us in this group notice what others in this group, especially the influential leaders, are doing. We evaluate what they are doing and decide whether what they are doing is something we should also do. Maybe they have some speakers in that we think we should recommend to our people. Or not. Maybe they promote some new ministry that we think is worth gleaning some resources from for ourselves and our ministry. Or not. Everything that is done is watched, noted, observed, evaluated and decisions are made.<\/p>\n

So it would be nice if one could simply reduce one\u2019s ministry decisions to my local church and my local ministry, but it isn\u2019t that simple. It probably isn\u2019t even that simple for me, with a very small ministry compared to Detroit\/IC\/Doran, but it certainly isn\u2019t that simple<\/em> for Dave himself, no matter how much he might wish it is so.<\/p>\n

The leadership Dave offers matters to a lot of us. The directions he goes matters. The people he cooperates with matters. The things he says matter.<\/p>\n

It just isn\u2019t that simple \u2013 there is more to the process than simply one\u2019s own ministry and one\u2019s own direction no matter how important the local church is.<\/em><\/p>\n

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