{"id":779,"date":"2008-06-14T17:51:33","date_gmt":"2008-06-15T01:51:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/oxgoad.ca\/2008\/06\/14\/is-there-an-answer-here\/"},"modified":"2008-06-14T18:05:08","modified_gmt":"2008-06-15T02:05:08","slug":"is-there-an-answer-here","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/oxgoad.ca\/2008\/06\/14\/is-there-an-answer-here\/","title":{"rendered":"is there an answer here?"},"content":{"rendered":"

On another blog, a discussion<\/a> is ongoing regarding the Mark Dever – Mark Minnick<\/a> interview. I, along with some others, contend that our friend Mark Minnick didn’t answer the last question Dever asked. Others say that he did answer. I have taken the trouble to transcribe the last six or seven minutes of the interview, hopefully accurately, so that you can analyze what was said and come to your own conclusions.<\/p>\n

Here is the transcript, beginning at about 1:01:35 of the interview:<\/p>\n

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1:01:35 Dever: \u201cWhat would we have to do to change for you to be free to preach here?\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

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Minnick: \u201cWell, I want to say, one, and I\u2019m glad there\u2019s, you know, you asked that question so that I\u2019d have the opportunity to say this, how very very deeply I respect you and what you\u2019re doing here. I mean, you wouldn\u2019t have come to Greenville and I wouldn\u2019t be here today, I don\u2019t think if there wasn\u2019t, certainly on my part, a great deal of respect for you and a great deal of appreciation for what you\u2019ve done and for what the conservative side of evangelicalism is doing. And if I could just make any appeal to anybody in that it would be one, to really resolve that controversy … [overtalk] … and which I think you have, Ok, as far as I can understand…\u201d<\/p>\n

Dever: \u201cWell, it\u2019s a, it\u2019s a continuing matter, brother, I mean, I recently spoke at a conference…\u201d<\/p>\n

Minnick: \u201cThe applications are, right?\u201d<\/p>\n

Dever: \u201cYes\u201d<\/p>\n

Minnick: \u201cBut in principle…\u201d<\/p>\n

Dever: \u201cThat\u2019s right\u201d<\/p>\n

Minnick: \u201cAll right, and so I guess my, when you ask, what would people have to do so that we were in common cause, it would be to see any brother who is consistently applying that to his associations, its clear that he\u2019s not muddying the water by putting his hand outside the box now and again, because that confuses the people who look to any of us for leadership. So when, when it\u2019s an unambiguous message that\u2019s being given you\u2019re saying Ok, you know, we\u2019re … there … there\u2019s no longer the divide between us.\u201d<\/p>\n

Dever: Ok, so what do we have to do to change in order for you in good conscience to be able to preach in a church like this?<\/p>\n

Minnick: Well, I think we talked a little about this when you were in Greenville<\/p>\n

Dever: Yup<\/p>\n

Minnick: As I remember too and I, you know, we were agreed on this that there are … um … you go as far on the right road with any brother as you can … um … so there\u2019s that if, if, if you\u2019re going in the same direction, then there\u2019s certainly biblical room for trying to go together in that direction. There\u2019s also the issue however of the people who are looking to you for leadership and with whom you have credibility and the fact is that you don\u2019t always have a chance to explain to everybody that you have a good name with as to why you are doing a certain thing and why you were with certain people. And a good name is rather to be chosen, you know, than a lot of things, certainly than great riches and a lot of other things as well. A speaking uh…, a good name is rather to be chosen than a speaking opportunity I would say … all right … so, when that other brother is giving the same clear signal you are and he\u2019s public about it … um … then there\u2019s little likelihood that you\u2019re going to confuse the people looking to you for leadership and it frees you, that other brother free you. But until he does, until he\u2019s really public about that, he\u2019s kinda got you over a barrel.<\/p>\n

Dever: Yuh, and what does being public about that consist of?<\/p>\n

Minnick: I think just, I think one, that that is his consistent preaching and teaching, that he\u2019s known for having settled these issues and that he\u2019s … it\u2019s apparent that he\u2019s trying to consistently apply that.<\/p>\n

Dever: And can anyone at Bob Jones that you know of on the religion faculty, let\u2019s say on the religion side, see that being done consistently in any church that would cooperate with the Southern Baptist Convention?<\/p>\n

Minnick: Well, when you were in Greenville I think you told us that there is no liberalism left in the Convention. I don\u2019t know enough about the Convention to know whether that\u2019s the case or not. But what I do know is that the convention for all of these decades, um, has been conditioned by a philosophy, an approach on these things that is different than what I see the Scripture teaching so I, I would think there\u2019s an awfully lot that would have to be done throughout the Convention to bring the leadership, the pastors, the Christian leaders, you know, up to the point where they were consistently showing that they understand the sep… the need for separatism, and, and until such time … uh, you know you would have cause I think for concern about getting too affiliated with, uh, the Convention.<\/p>\n

Dever: Right. Mark, our time is up…<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

What do you think? Towards the end, a glimmer of an answer might be emerging, in my opinion, but it seems to me that the question: What do we [conservative evangelicals] have to DO to change the division that continues to exist between us?<\/strong> in the main was left unanswered.<\/p>\n

So… did he answer or didn’t he?<\/p>\n

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On another blog, a discussion is ongoing regarding the Mark Dever – Mark Minnick interview. I, along with some others, contend that our friend Mark Minnick didn’t answer the last question Dever asked. Others say that he did answer. I have taken the trouble to transcribe the last six or seven minutes of the interview, […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_is_tweetstorm":false,"jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true},"categories":[61,37,71,87,77,68,44],"tags":[],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2fYWj-cz","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/oxgoad.ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/779"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/oxgoad.ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/oxgoad.ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/oxgoad.ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/oxgoad.ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=779"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/oxgoad.ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/779\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/oxgoad.ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=779"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/oxgoad.ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=779"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/oxgoad.ca\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=779"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}